Been a bit quiet lately here as the riding season winds down and what a great summer its been. Thought I would stir things up a bit and open up discussion to something near and dear to many of us...horsepower and how much it costs.
Many are here due to the refreshing free discussion without the deplorable cencorship of the rat forum in spite of all of the good membership there which over time will hopefully migrate here and already have as word catchs on about this site. Some may be perplexed about why cencorship occurs in such abundance there which seems to defy the nature of motorcyclists in general whom I have met in 35 years of riding who as a group are some of the most honest and at times apolitical group...refreshingly so in this stifling if not gag me PC age we live with so many different cultures and agendas. The obvious reason aside from the jackass moderator at the rat site who may really be a fat women in drag :lick: can you tell I am not a fan?....who takes the liberty unscathed to delete if not morph intent of much too many earnest discussions...is protecting commercial interests of their considerable aray of advertisers. Any hint or even innuendo directed toward same results in either thread closure which many times includes deletion of threads changing the entire focus and really content of discussion. Why is this relevant aside from why many true motorheads congregate here? Because in the interest of free speech, I want to turn over the rock that nobody seems to want to.
Enter perhaps the finest tuner of the reborn Triumph Vertical twin we have, TPUSA who is an obvious supporter of the rat site. Many Trimph hotrodders have their pieces on their bikes and laud the performance improvement and yet in spite of the copious testing that TPUSA performs, their site has a glaring shortcoming which many may even know what I am suggesting. They don't post horsepwer improvement relative to the products they sell. The reason is obvious in spite of all the great stuff they develop and test. They know what the hp nos. are. What they do is a conscious decision to not post horsepower because they believe the perception of power is a better sell. They have to believe that the horsepower increase when correlated to dollars spent don't add up for the average Triumph enthusiast. In other words, the horsepower nos. will not help promote sale of their products...only detract from it. Only plausible reason. Anybody know what the performance increase of say 813 cams is relative to 865 stock cams? Nope. A few members have dyno tested after the fact and by all intents the 813 cams are excellent and will create 5 more hp at maxiumum RPM all other engine components being equal but apparently, TPUSA who again knows what the numbers through their development elects not to post them. Take the 904BB kit. Another excellent offering...39 more cc's and a bump in compression. No dyno charts. Again they know the numbers but obviously don't believe the numbers flatter their price tag of $1K for the BB kit as well developed as it is.
Old hotrodders like to think in terms of horsepower per dollar. I think some new hotrodders may even like to think in those terms. The whole basis of marketing comes to mind and perception of increased power versus the reality of power relative to cash outlay.
Anyway before someone spends say $2K prior to purchasing a BB kit and 813 cams, don't you think the company that developed them should post dyno charts of before and after? Makes sense to me.
Thoughts?
George
Many are here due to the refreshing free discussion without the deplorable cencorship of the rat forum in spite of all of the good membership there which over time will hopefully migrate here and already have as word catchs on about this site. Some may be perplexed about why cencorship occurs in such abundance there which seems to defy the nature of motorcyclists in general whom I have met in 35 years of riding who as a group are some of the most honest and at times apolitical group...refreshingly so in this stifling if not gag me PC age we live with so many different cultures and agendas. The obvious reason aside from the jackass moderator at the rat site who may really be a fat women in drag :lick: can you tell I am not a fan?....who takes the liberty unscathed to delete if not morph intent of much too many earnest discussions...is protecting commercial interests of their considerable aray of advertisers. Any hint or even innuendo directed toward same results in either thread closure which many times includes deletion of threads changing the entire focus and really content of discussion. Why is this relevant aside from why many true motorheads congregate here? Because in the interest of free speech, I want to turn over the rock that nobody seems to want to.
Enter perhaps the finest tuner of the reborn Triumph Vertical twin we have, TPUSA who is an obvious supporter of the rat site. Many Trimph hotrodders have their pieces on their bikes and laud the performance improvement and yet in spite of the copious testing that TPUSA performs, their site has a glaring shortcoming which many may even know what I am suggesting. They don't post horsepwer improvement relative to the products they sell. The reason is obvious in spite of all the great stuff they develop and test. They know what the hp nos. are. What they do is a conscious decision to not post horsepower because they believe the perception of power is a better sell. They have to believe that the horsepower increase when correlated to dollars spent don't add up for the average Triumph enthusiast. In other words, the horsepower nos. will not help promote sale of their products...only detract from it. Only plausible reason. Anybody know what the performance increase of say 813 cams is relative to 865 stock cams? Nope. A few members have dyno tested after the fact and by all intents the 813 cams are excellent and will create 5 more hp at maxiumum RPM all other engine components being equal but apparently, TPUSA who again knows what the numbers through their development elects not to post them. Take the 904BB kit. Another excellent offering...39 more cc's and a bump in compression. No dyno charts. Again they know the numbers but obviously don't believe the numbers flatter their price tag of $1K for the BB kit as well developed as it is.
Old hotrodders like to think in terms of horsepower per dollar. I think some new hotrodders may even like to think in those terms. The whole basis of marketing comes to mind and perception of increased power versus the reality of power relative to cash outlay.
Anyway before someone spends say $2K prior to purchasing a BB kit and 813 cams, don't you think the company that developed them should post dyno charts of before and after? Makes sense to me.
Thoughts?
George
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...to nark versus not. I still have my airbox btw and don't plan to lose it on my EFI bike.
